look, anything that keeps the focus on reducing debt and deficit in my mind is a good thing. getting rid of the debt limit is papering over the real uncertainty, which is american consumers, american investors don't know if and when washington will ever adopt a sensible fiscal policy. i wish we had it come up every month. >> gary b. basically steve is saying this eliminates some uncertainty and that would help. we see consumer confidence at lows again. >> absolutely, brenda. look, this is how every family operates. they don't go out and make plans we're going to build a new addition to the house and do this and that and we don't have any money to pay for it. let's borrow more. i think steve is right. this should be a regular conversation because as he points out. we've not had a budget passed by the senate in the last four or five years, for crying out loud. >> there has to be check and balance. jonas says let's get rid of it. my gosh let's get rid of everything and spend whatever we have out there. so like todd said we could stimulate the economy and all of that spending has